Torqued-Off (Tuned for Torque VS. Detuned)

If I hear another moto-marketeer say their latest re-packaging of a high performance model has been “tuned for torque”, I’m gonna put my foot into their sack. Manufacturers regularly use an existing, but relatively aging engine, drop it in a less cutting edge chassis/suspension combo and market it to the naked or sport-touring masses as the answer to their desire. That’s fine, but when they have to explain the fact that the same basic engine doesn’t make anywhere near the power of the original, the “tuned for torque” excuse gets dragged out. “Tuned for torque” is one of the biggest fabrications foisted on the moto-buying public. This type of BS goes hand in hand with their dry weight claims. Who rides a bike with no fluids in it anyway?

The reason the manufacturers DETUNE their high performance engines when creating other models is plain and simple. It’s to keep buyers from making a second-tier model more popular than their flagship. Ya can’t have FZ1s goin’ out the door faster than R1s, it ruins the marketing paradigm and implies the customer actually knows what they want! I will give a token nod to reliability and gas mileage as valid reasons to detune an engine, but these are secondary concerns. Today’s engines rarely have major internal problems and bikes still get twice the MPG of cars.

With todays best engines being relegated to alternate models within a few years of introduction, the manufacturers do whatever they have to to keep the design in use as long as possible. So using the same engine, defanged, makes a lot of sense. But the manufacturers know that it’s got to be almost as kick-ass without threatening the creme de la creme.

How do I know this beyond a reasonable doubt? Well besides regularly comparing the dyno charts, horsepower and torque figures of the bikes I’m most interested in, I own the perfect example of this snake oil transaction.

I owned a first year (1997) Suzuki Bandit 1200 (I also own a brand new 2005 model which is, engine-wise, identical to the first year). The Bandit’s engine is virtually identical to the one last seen in the 1993 GSXR 1100. In fact, the Bandit is given the advantage of an additional 100 cc’s of displacment (82 cc actually: 1156 - 1074). This particular engine’s power and reliability have been proven over almost 20 years of real world use, including heavy modification for extreme performance. No wonder Suzuki wasn’t ready to throw away the molds yet.

So why is it my latest bike doesn’t make as much power as the same motor from 20 years ago? The old school GSXR put out right around 120 HP in stock trim, my latest Bandit, maybe 100 HP. The torque peaks are virtually identical, right around 70 foot-pounds. How does that qualify as “tuned for torque”? “Robbed of horsepower” would be more appropriate description. I would expect a minimum gain of at least 5 foot pounds to qualify as praise worthy (because you might actually notice it), and something like plus 10 might actually turn my head. The Bandit shows an incredibly small gain when the power curves are overlayed and the length and flatness of the torque curves compared. On the newer bike the torque curve has changed very slightly for the better. It doesn’t make more peak torque, but the area under the torque curve is broader.

But this is primarily acheived with the cams. For those of you who think “hotter” cams are the solution to your performance desires …. I hate to burst your bubble ….. but if your gonna rob Peter, you gotta pay Paul. Cams may increase top-end, but only at the expense of bottom-end. Cams change where the power hits, but can’t improve power overall. This is one of the primary difference between the Bandit and the GSXR and why the Bandit pulls better on the bottom and the GSXR better on top.

But does the Bandit actually pull better on the bottom. No, not really. You see while changing the cam profile and adding displacement, they also lowered compression substantially, retarded the ignition timing and heavily restricted the intake tract. (Carb diameter remains the same). The net effect is a virtually identical bottom-end and a big reduction in top-end.

I know what potential exists because with some fairly simple, but effective, mods I brought my ‘97 Bandit on par with the old GSXR. In fact, I was able to tune the Bandit for torque! But only with the help of proven modifications.
Those mods were:

Compression bump (shaved the head: stock GSXR: 11.2 to 1, stock Bandit: 9.5 to 1, modified Bandit: 10.5 to 1), Advanced ignition (4 deg),

Opened up airbox (added a second snokel),

A less restrictive exhaust (Yoshimura RS-3 - read relatively quiet - slip-on)

And a DynoJet kit (proper fueling to compliment the other mods).

This brought my Bandit up to around 115 HP as well as an almost 10 foot pound increase in torque (remember what I said I was hoping for earlier, this surpassed the GSXRs torque big time, while only sacrificing a few HP on top). And the gains were across the entire powerband. Can you say wheelie monster?!?! Now we’re talking about what the Bandit should feel like from the factory. Maybe Suzuki just doesn’t want to threaten the aftermarket?

I’m not complaining that my 2005 Bandit 1200 is a detuned 1993 GSXR 1100, I’m complaining that marketing types are trying to convince me, and you, that they’ve built you a more suitable engine, when in truth they’ve done nothing of the sort! They’ve just sacrificed quite a bit of engine potential to appease the marketing Gods.

Buy a motorcycle because it’s what you want, but don’t be deceived by the “tuned for torque” sales pitch. It just ain’t true!

P.S. - I can’t wait to see what Suzuki puts the Hayabusa engine in when the next-gen hypersports hits showrooms. Let’s just hope they don’t cut it’s balls off. Or I won’t have anything to kick.

6 Comments

Nice article. Can you say Caponord?

Haven’t they recently dropped the ‘Busa engine in a god-awful looking abortion of a Valkyrie wannabe?

Comment by angrybob | February 16th, 2006 8:04 pm | Permalink

“I’m only saying this because I care, there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.”

- Val Kilmer (Real Genius)

Comment by terrymoto | February 17th, 2006 10:52 am | Permalink

Interesting stuff; I own a Gsxr11wt (the watercooler version that came after the Bandit/Gsxr motor you have).

I have often wondered if opening up the airbox by adding a 2nd ’snorkel’ is a good mod (in the UK I know ‘Holeshot Racing’ do a replacement completely open airbox back cover with the filter built in and the internal screen removed see - [url]http://www.holeshot.com/bandit/stage2_airbox_kit.html[/url]).

How did you get on with your airbox mod?
Did it alone make much difference, was setting up difficult?

I have often read that opening up the airbox or removing it completely and going to individual filters puts a big hole in the mid-range of these bikes.

Good luck and cheers!

Comment by Gixxerman | March 5th, 2006 1:53 pm | Permalink

First, since your bike is a very different engine, I can’t say what a modification like this might do.

The old saying about “if I take one aspirin, I’ll feel better, but if I take 10 I’ll feel great” applies here. You can open an airbox up TOO much (and achieve the dreaded “flat spot” in the midrange you mention). It’s important with any engine to keep up the velocity of the air through the carb. By open up the airbox you actually cause the air entering the engine to slow down which can cause all kinds of problems. Most engines are pretty restricted from the factory and giving them a little more air is a good thing, but it’s also very easy to get carried away and give them too much.

Adding an additional snorkel to my Bandit made a significant difference (about 5 HP) but you HAVE TO rejet the carbs for the additional air, otherwise it will perform worse, not better. But unless your bike has lots of engine performance modification (cams, ignition timing, compression bump, bigger bores, etc.), it’s best not to give it too big a breath of fresh air!

Comment by rhino | March 6th, 2006 9:22 am | Permalink

Hi, I own a 2003 bandit 1200, and I was wondering how much
should I shave the head and how much bigger the jets should be?
Thanks.

Comment by mateusz | September 9th, 2006 5:05 pm | Permalink

Ha! Can you say DL-650?? I have an SV-650 which I love, so I bought a DL-650 thinking it’d be the “comfortable SV” and not knowing it was also the “ball-less SV”

Putting 40lbs of plastic on and then nerfing the hell out of the cams pretty much gives you a rolling turd.

Fortunately I was able to trade it in on an FJR-1300… win!

Comment by Gene Cash | May 5th, 2008 4:09 pm | Permalink

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