At Least The Patriot Guard Riders Can’t Be Sued…

It is impossible not to get a little political with this article, but I’ll keep it tempered.  I hate the ACLU with a passion.  They serve as a free and powerful legal service for all things way left of center.  This time they are suing the states that passed laws to combat the maggots in the Westboro Baptist Church that protest at soldier’s funerals across the country because “GOD HATES FAGS”.  The relationship between their slogan and a soldier that has given the ultimate sacrifice in the service of our country???  Ahhh forget it…just read it yourself in the link above.

The WBC is the very reason that the Patriot Guard was formed.  They show up at our soldier’s funerals (upon invite only) to shield the grieving family from these idiots above.  They do so with permission of the family and under the same basis of free speech.  They salute with flags upright and rev their engines if necessary to drown out the voices of the Westboro Church protestors.

NOTE:  I am a proud member of the Patriot Guard Riders, but use the term “they” because I have not been able to go on a mission yet.  I don’t look forward to it at all, but I will absolutely be there if the WBC comes to town.

See…what’s cool about the PGR is that the ACLU can’t sue them.  They can go after the states (and one federal law signed by GWB) that passed laws restricting protests within an hour before and after a soldier’s funeral or create a protest-free zone (distance from funeral home, etc).  Is it an infringement on the First Ammendment?  Possibly, but that’s why we have a Supreme Court.  It’s one time where there should be an exception to the rules.  These guys and gals gave their lives for our country and deserve a little respect as they are put to rest.  I hope the WBC and the ACLU lose.

For what its worth, the ACLU defended NAMBLA too.  Another reason to hate them.

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Amen.

I came across this hilarious video of a UK journalist interviewing WBC founder Fred Phelps. WARNING: Language may not be kid-safe or safe for work.

These are the people that the ACLU are defending.

Comment by retrorider | July 27th, 2006 12:34 pm | Permalink

First, don’t settle too hard on the notion that Fart Guard can’t be sued. They keep laying hands on people and slandering people, both of which violate tort law. So if they keep it up, they will be sued! They’re a bunch of thugs. Thugs ultimately end up in court, even in a system where justice has fallen in the streets.

Second, for a group of people who claim to be loving tolerant and Christian, you are some ugly-mean critters. :-)

Third, has it dawned on your Tricycle Tyrants, and your groupies, that you’re a bunch of hypocrites? You claim to be such lovers of freedom, but are moving heaven and earth to outlaw and block WORDS. You’re perfectly fine with the violence of marines, who rape, kill and attack people. But say some WORDS you sissies don’t like, and you start crying like girls, and turn into tinhorn tyrants. Amazing stuff to watch. And some of the most powerful evidence — of which there is a substantial body — that America is cursed by God and doomed!

Fourth, quit pretending you don’t connect the dots. You do, and it enrages you. You know those soldiers are coming home in bits and pieces, in body bags or maimed for life, because of the sins of this nation. And you know the #1 sin is embracing sodomy. You raised a generation on “it’s OK to be gay.” Then you sent that generation over onto the battle field, with a broken moral compass. So quit acting surprised that they’re getting blown to bits and pieces. Shame on your for enabling and causing it!

You girly-men keep tossing your mean-mouth boquets back and forth, and pretending by puffing your chests, gunning your tricycle engines, and being vulgar mean bullies, you can a) shut us up or b) stop the wrath of God. You know better. That’s why you cry all the time.

Shut your mouths; read the plain words of the Bible; and OBEY. Nothing else will suffice.

Magormissabib and see you at the next political patriotic pep rally (quit pretending you’re there for the funeral; you’re there for the glory you didn’t get in the past, big babies!)

Comment by Margie Phelps | July 27th, 2006 3:46 pm | Permalink

[…] sums up my views on the matter. He even got a reply from Mrs. Phelps herself. Print This Post Filed under: News by — John @ 4:47pm […]

Comment by Northwest Cycle News » Hitting on Fred Phelps | July 27th, 2006 4:51 pm | Permalink

Wow Ms. Phelps is an absolute nut case. Typical response of those who are prone to preach tolerance for their own special interest group, while at the same time condeming the support of the majority popular decision. The only “thugs” I’d like to see in court are those who disrupt funerals with their vile vitriol. Welcome to America Ms. Phelps, freedom of religion and speech, don’t like it? Don’t really care.

I am rather curious as Ms. Phelps seems to have a bit of an vanity complex. Seems she’s gone to some great lengths to search out any and all mention of her nutbag group of followers. Ms. Phelps I think you’ve missed your opportunity to ride the mother ship home the last time Hale Bob comet came around.

Comment by English Bob | July 27th, 2006 10:21 pm | Permalink

Ms. Phelps - who is it exactly that gives you the right to say the assinine things you and your group say? Is it the minister? Is it the lawyer? No you kook, its the soldier.

You’re attacking the soldier’s families who are grieving as they put their son or daughter to final rest because they are part of the military???

You’re right - let me connect the dots for you. The military has policies that all its members must follow. You bash the soldiers and their families at funerals because “God hates fags”? Because the military has not overtly banned gays (although don’t ask don’t tell has restriction implications of its own), you take it to the sodiers. Does that make sense? Would it not be more appropriate to go after the policy makers, not the grunts who have to follow the policies? Is this not a simple cry for help and attention?

I actually have pity for you guys. To lead such a pathetic life that you need to disparage dead soldiers who fought with honor is sad…just pathetic. I guess the Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity as Al Qaeda is to the muslim faith.

Comment by angrybob | July 27th, 2006 10:42 pm | Permalink

ANY funeral has the right to reverent and peaceful services. What the WBC does is beyond human. To feel you can protest a funeral for your freedom of speech is selfish to a grieving family. WBC, think about it, do you want your funerals disrupted by others. It’s just plain rude and unthoughful!!! Grow up and leave people who never did anything to you alone. Grow up and quit calling people names, too.

Comment by Betty | July 28th, 2006 1:12 pm | Permalink

AB and I don’t really see eye to eye on a bunch of subjects.

I am a HUGE ACLU supporter and it’s hard for me to find a group that is more focused on protecting basic constitutional rights. The focus of the ACLU is to make sure that your basic rights in the constitution is kept.

The problem with freedom is that you have to accept the freedom of people and ideas YOU DON’T LIKE. It is easy to wrap freedom around yourself and your ideas as being OK. It is another thing to support the freedom of things that really upset you. When you can say, I hate your ideas, but I fight for your rights to piss me off.

The ACLU focuses on protecting free speech and other basic constitutional rights. Ugly things that “Westboro Baptist Church”say and evil groups like NAMBLA support, are things I don’t like. But when we give way and take these peoples “Rights” away, then we chip away at what is acceptable in this country.

The dark and evil path of limiting the rights of people in this country is something we should avoid. Government surveillance, secret courts, date mining our personal information, scanning every byte that flows on the Internet, and much more is things we should avoid. Groups like the ACLU try to prevent the reduction of your rights.

I don’t think what WBC does is really cool. But to be honest just ignoring them is more powerful than having a big fight with them. I don’t think you are gaining much by trying to “Stop” them, just ignore them and they will go away.

In the end people use religious books and teaching to justify there “Hate” and desire to be above other people.

Comment by gothicbeaST | July 28th, 2006 7:07 pm | Permalink

Free speech is a beautiful thing and I heartily support it. However, there are limits on speech. The simplest example is that of yelling “Fire” in a crowded theater. Others include instances of slander. So while we are free to say whatever we wish, we are not really free to say it _wherever_ we wish without consequence.

It’s not that I don’t support Phelps and his cult’s right to say what they want, however repulsive I may find their views. It’s the venue that I object to. I see no infringement of their right to free speech by not allowing them to disrupt a private ceremony. They are free to have their protest at many other locations.

One of the better articulations of this view can be found here.

Like the auther of the link, I too find delicious irony in the fact that Phelps is allowing the ACLU, one of the great defenders of gay rights, to defend his organization.

Comment by retrorider | August 1st, 2006 8:24 am | Permalink

Free speech, peaceful funerals, and two wheels into the sunset. Save gas ride a harley.

Comment by Terrie | August 1st, 2006 4:52 pm | Permalink

Just a word about the PGR - to quote directly from the website: “Our main mission is to attend the funeral services of fallen American heroes as invited guests of the family. Each mission we undertake has two basic objectives.

1. Show our sincere respect for our fallen heroes, their families, and their communities.

2. Shield the mourning family and friends from interruptions created by any protestor or group of protestors. We accomplish the latter through strictly legal and non-violent means.”

That’s it. We’re not a protest group. We don’t care who else shows up. What the PGR is about is Respect for the fallen soldier and his or her family.

God forbid any more are needed, but if you haven’t been on a PGR mission, I urge you to go, at least one time. It’s one of the most worthwhile things I’ve ever done. Whether you agree with the administration on being there or not, those that are serving are there in defense of our country, and they deserve our utmost gratitude and respect. Check out the website at http://patriotguard.org.

Ride Safe,
ChrisK

Comment by ChrisK | August 9th, 2006 10:29 am | Permalink

I hate to say it but I agreed with Ms. Phelps in part quoting her:

QUOTE “First, don’t settle too hard on the notion that Fart Guard can’t be sued. They keep laying hands on people and slandering people, both of which violate tort law. So if they keep it up, they will be sued! They’re a bunch of thugs. Thugs ultimately end up in court, even in a system where justice has fallen in the streets.

Second, for a group of people who claim to be loving tolerant and Christian, you are some ugly-mean critters.

Magormissabib and see you at the next political patriotic pep rally (quit pretending you’re there for the funeral; you’re there for the glory you didn’t get in the past, big babies!)” END QUOTE

This is so true of the Patriot Guard Riders we have experienced in East TN and at Arlington.

And I have to disagree with this comment by ChrisK:

QUOTE “We don’t care who else shows up. What the PGR is about is Respect for the fallen soldier and his or her family.” END QUOTE

The PGR here is nothing but grand standers and media hounds and liars scaring the funeral directors and families from allowing decent folks from honoring the soldiers.

I used to ride with PGR here until they got out of hand and am sorry they are so driven for their own gain at the expense of others.

Comment by Donna | June 5th, 2007 7:04 pm | Permalink

Donna - Ms. Phelps is a certified kook. There is neither help for her nor bonus IQ points for quoting her.

That said, I have been with the PGR for over a year now, and my experience has been nothing but ‘Riding With Respect’. I had a pre-disposition with “bikers” before I joined the PGR. This group has single-handedly changed my view of them…in other words, not all bikers are the same.

Comment by angrybob | June 5th, 2007 9:02 pm | Permalink

I hate the ACLU and all the evil that it stands for. I don’t like the WBBC because their signs are not strict Bible verse, but are dumbed down for the masses. (Of course God hates those that burn like sticks [faggots] on the lake of fire. He throws the unrepentant there.) I work honor guard detail at funerals and I don’t want any kinds of protestors or counter protestors there. It should be a solumn occasion, not a scene from Mad Max.

Comment by John | June 6th, 2007 11:18 pm | Permalink

Hello,i was wondering why there was nothing on telly ,the news etc about oct 20th ride for your rights? I think cars 4×4s all should block london /white hall against all of ther rip of policies.

Comment by Graham Martin | November 4th, 2007 12:21 pm | Permalink

Freedom of speech should be upheld no matter what side of an issue people are on. In this case I think BOTH sides are idiots!

Comment by Brad | November 12th, 2007 12:54 pm | Permalink

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