Master Cylinders

Master cylinders often create varying answers on bulletin boards when the question “Should I get a radial pump master cylinder for my bike?”. The problem with those varying answers is that only a small handful of responses are correct. Those along the lines of changing lever feel, volume, and force requirements are on the right track. However, that’s about it. With modern motorcycles, an aftermarket will not greatly help fade, stiffness, or effectiveness of the brake system. The purpose of this article is to unpack all that I know about master cylinders (as a brake system engineer) in plain English and apply it to the motorcycle arena. I’ll cover the following topics:

  • Purpose
  • Master Cylinder Sizing…Ok there’s a little math involved in this section
  • Types of Master Cylinders
  • Aftermarket Units
  • Real World Benefits - WWABD?
  • Purpose: The purpose of a hydraulic master cylinder (m/c) is to provide a source for pressure to be applied to the brakes. In other words, the function is to translate the rider’s input lever force into brake line pressure in order to apply the brakes. Without getting into the valving too much, you have a brake lever connected to a pushrod connected to a piston inside the m/c bore. The pressure generated is captured and maintained by a rubber seal between the bore and the piston. That’s it. OK, there’s a little more to it than that, but thats the basics.

    Master Cylinder Sizing: This is where many people stray from reality when explaining master cylinders. An OE master cylinder is sized to be able to have enough fluid capacity for the combined total caliper piston volume consumed at maximum ‘calculated’ running clearance (the gap between the pads and the rotors - usually less than 1mm). Its not the total piston volume as that would be huge, but the following simple equation [pad gap * piston area of all pistons in circuit]. Most caliper piston diameters are in the 30mm range while most m/c’s are on the 13-20mm range.

    OE m/c’s are sized to give the rider the best blend of lever force and travel characteristics. Since the m/c’s purpose is to translate a lever force into fluid pressure (force per unit area = psi), the bore diameter determines how the lever feels. To understand the impact of bore diameter, think of the equation force/area with the force being lever force and the area being the area of the m/c bore. To display the math a little, I’ll use nice round numbers. Say you can generate 1000lbs of force and have a 1 in2 m/c bore area. That equals 1000lbs/1 in2 or 1000psi. By increasing the m/c bore area to 1.25 in2, using the same equation, you can only generate 800 psi. Likewise, by decreasing the m/c bore area to 0.75 in2 you generate 1333 psi.

    M/C bore area summary: The bigger the area of the bore, the less pressure is generated for a given input lever force. The smaller the bore area, the more pressure can be generated from that same input force

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    Lever stroke is also impacted by m/c bore area. The total volume of fluid generated in the m/c is the equation [m/c bore area * m/c piston travel]. Again, using the 1 in2 m/c bore area from above and keeping the m/c piston travel constant at 0.5 in, the original case 0.5 in3of fluid volume. Increase the bore area to 1.25 in2 = 0.625 in3. Likewise, decreasing the m/c bore area to 0.75 in2 = 0.375 in3.

    M/C volume summary: The bigger the area of the bore, the less stroke required to move a given volume. The smaller the bore area, the more stroke is required to move that same volume.

    Combining the two summaries is the key to understanding master cylinder sizing:

    The bigger the bore, less stroke but more force will be required to reach a given pressure. The smaller the bore, more stroke but less force will be required to reach that same given pressure.

    The balance between force and stroke is what the tuners at the OE call “feel”. From my experience, I have seen smaller m/c’s on OE machines which leads me to believe that the goal is to give a system with less effort and more stroke than the other way around. Many stock units are around 13mm in diameter.

    Types of Master Cylinders: There are two basic types of master cylinders available on OE bikes and in the aftermarket sector. Most bikes still get the standard type m/c where the piston bore is parallel to the clip-on or handlebar, where a few of the new(er) sport bikes are starting to get the radial pump as stock equipment.

    Brembo Standard Master Cylinder DesignAftermarket Units: The standard design is still the most common m/c on stock bikes. My guess for the reasoning is cost and sizing. Most stock brake systems do not require the volume that the bigger radial pumps offer and are usually cast aluminum. The disadvantages are in the space taken up on the bars and the lack of lever adjustment (either none or 4 adjustments).

    While the radial pump has been around a while in the aftermarket, its only been stock onBrembo Forged Radial Pump Master Cylinder Design
    upper end sport bikes for the last year or two Brembo is still the household name among radial pumps although many other brands exist (AP, Speigler, Magura to name a few) in the aftermarket sector. The ‘base’ models are forged (pictured) and the ‘bling’ models are machined from billet.

    The main advantages are they offer larger diameter bores, a fine adjustment for the lever position, and a selection of pivot lengths. Brembo sells a 19mm bore x 16,18, or 20mm pivot lengths. The smaller pivot length has the same affect as a smaller m/c bore size - the 16 requires the least effort to generate a given pressure, but has the longest stroke. The 20 requires the highest force to generate a given pressure but has the shortest stroke (this is the one req’d for 6-piston calipers). AP has a design that has a variable pivot length controlled by a dial & set screw - very cool.

    The main disadvantages in the aftermarket radial pumps is the fact that they do not come with a brake switch. No big deal for a track bike, but for a street bike that needs a brake light, more $$$ needs to be spent. You can dump from $20 for a banjo bolt / pressure switch type to $80 or so for the bling Brembo switch setup. I’ve only owned the cheap kind and the pressure response to illuminate the brake light was variable. The other disadvantage is that if you break a lever, they are usually pricey.

    NOTE: A common misconception is that the bigger bore m/c’s make the brakes stiffer. They do not. The increase in required force and more importantly shorter lever stroke is mistakenly called increased stiffness because the brakes engage sooner.

    Real World Benefits - WWABD?: I have owned both Brembo and AP (non variable pivot length) radial pumps for street and track bikes. My opinion is that unless you are racing, save your money. For the street and even canyon carving, its really not necessary or at least not the best first step(s) for a street bike to improve the feel or fade. Braided lines and brake pad selection are better first steps IMO. The next step if you are concerned about or are getting brake fade would be the CRG Roll-A-Click Adjustable Levers. The lever can be adjusted out (to address fade) on the fly with your thumb. I have these on my Mille R and they work great. Heh - I also have the stock m/c! If you race, that may be a different story…especially for endurance racing where fade and shorter stroke are more important.

    8 Comments

    I also am an engineer with experience designing braking systems. My experience and knowledge of the subject leads me to question several of your conclusions. The one statement I disagree with most is the assumption that squeezing the lever farther (”If you race, that may be a different story…especially for endurance racing where fade and shorter stroke are more important.”)

    Increasing lever travel by adjusting the lever farther out “on the fly” will not diminish fade. All it will do (possibly, in some cases) is slightly prolong the point where fade is too severe to deal with and braking just goes away. You start with a short travel, and as fade starts setting in you extend the travel. That’s what you seem to be saying. If so, then the advantage of the radial cylinder boils down to adjustable stroke. And added stroke will not help when the brakes start to fade.

    It is true that you have some measure of “feel” control with a radial master cylinder. However, that kind of “feel” difference can be mimicked by selecting different cylinder bores. As you stated, changing the pivot point length is the same as changing the cylinder bore.

    Also, as you point out, increasing cylinder bore increases lever effort and decreases lever travel per effective braking effect. Some racers (and street riders) are more comfortable gauging braking by travel rather than effort.

    I don’t know what the current pricing schemes are, but when aftermarket radial masters first came out they were more expensive than the standard layout. At that time (and if this is still the case, at this time) it was smarter to opt for a standard layout with the bore you wanted.

    My suspicion is that there’s a lot more marketing than science behind aftermarket radial masters. Similar to “radial calipers”, where the only difference is the orientation of the attachment bolts. This was originally done to decrease weight, but suddenly they were touted as some trick solution to braking troubles. On a motorcycle true radial calipers (where the mounting of the caliper is in the same plane as the rotor, eliminating twisting and bending moments along the axle’s axis) do not exist. Note that several production bikes equipped with “radial” calipers wound up with calipers and brackets heavier than the ones they replaced. That smells like advertising.

    There’s nothing wrong with radial master cylinders, but they are being oversold and badly explained to the non-technical public. “Radial” calipers are pure advertising.

    Comment by Andy Gallien | February 13th, 2007 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Hi Andy,
    It’s nerdy world we live in…us brake engineers.

    I think you would agree that the following statements are true (quoted from above):

    “My opinion is that unless you are racing, save your money.”
    “Braided lines and brake pad selection are better first steps IMO”

    with braided lines addressing feel & pad selection addressing fade. After that, choosing an adjustable lever is the next best step for fade - but we will have to argue semantics for a minute.

    I agree with your statement that brake levers do not change fade. That said, it does ‘address’ the fade situation rather well. I could have used the word ‘mask’ instead.

    Back in the day (heh) when I was doing the track day thing a lot as well as running AMA/CCS and WERA at the amateur level (for the record, I wasn’t great), I learned bunches about brake fade and the ways to address it (damn I used that word again).

    My experience on the track was that mid-race moderate fade, read: nowhere near dangerous, caused the lever to get pretty close to the grip/clip-on. The immediate way to fix this on the fly is to adjust the lever outward. Did it change the fade characteristics of the pad? Nah. It did though give me more travel and in effect, gave me my brakes back. In all my time on two wheels using many brands of brake pads in all kinds of applications, I have never, ever faded motorcycle pads to the point that they felt unsafe for that application.

    Look at every race bike out there and they have one of those uber-expensive dials that adjust the brake lever outward, usually on the clutch lever side. It may not change the fade properties of the pad, but it does fix/mask/address the problem.

    I would agree, as you’ve stated that both radial calipers and radial m/c’s are more for bling than function for street riders and about two-thirds of racers. I believe, however, that the top guys can realize and enjoy the performance gain that they offer.

    It’s a bitch putting this kind of technical stuff that we know so well into English for everyone to grasp. Its not that the language is above anyone, but rather that the available info is usually in the form of a sales pitch and/or boring as hell to read. I’ve tried to capture and present my knowledge on brakes and brake systems (as well as my choice of words) as if I were standing around the campfire with a bunch of buddies at T.W.O.

    Thanks for the comment.

    Comment by angrybob | February 13th, 2007 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Cheers for taking time to part with or should i say share some of your knowledge. i’m not a brakes engineer so i have no intentions of picking apart your info ha, i’m just glad i was able to find some information that actually informed me.

    thanks

    Comment by Daniel | August 7th, 2007 5:39 am | Permalink

    Exellent read guys. Helped with some modifications I’m doing to a Motocross bike. I am fitting a Magura Hydraulic clutch to a Yamaha cable clutch 250 two stroke. The catch is I would like to up the M/C to a Brembo and was concerned about the difference in Reseviour size. After reading and talking to some knowledgeable experts I discovered that bore size is more critical and that it will have an effect on the Magura Clutch slave. So I am having to investigate the varation in bore size area between the Magura and Brembo M/C. I understand that if the area is larger in the Brembo Bore it may cause the slave to actuate to quickly or with not enough presure in relationship to the Clutch basket springs and could either 1. fry the clutch or 2. activate like an on off switch. Which is more the case? The other problem to make situations slightly more complicated….the fittings are different and the systems take different oils. D.O.T versus mineral. So I may have to find a D.O.T compatible slave that will work with the brembo bore size or get a new steel braided line with new fittings made up and run mineral in the brembo M/C. Would it be a problem running mineral in a D.O.T designed unit?

    Comment by Stellan Piacun | August 22nd, 2007 4:36 pm | Permalink

    I am looking for some advice or help
    have 96 rdking/ the rear brakes would not release?
    ended up having to replace the rotor/ rebuild the PM 4 pistion caliper due to overheat./ tested it in the shed/ bled etc/ worked fine/ go down the road/ applied once would not release?started to heat up/ had to pull over and relieve the pressure on the capiper/ then the brakes started working again, when it locked up I could not get the brake pedal to even have a stroke until I releived it?

    Comment by paul | October 5th, 2007 7:26 am | Permalink

    OK I have read the post above and although I do agree on some aspects of the post there are bit which are not too accurate. As said in one of the comments, a radial master cylinder doesn’t make a lever stiffer but a better clamp on the bar and how the lever works may reduce flex at the bar so the lever is more ridgidly mounted on the bar.
    Next is fade. I agree moving the lever out is not stopping fade or helping in anyway more than delaying it slightly with a bit more remaining travel. But an adjustable ratio lever will mimic a different bore size so it will reduce the effect of fade on the lever. It can if set correctly make the rider feel more comfortable with the brake set up and increase confidence on fast roads or the track. The rider can then set the lever to “feel” how they want it to feel but have an option to compensate for increased lever travel caused by fade by changing the ratio of the lever and keeping the “feel” consistant. The bore and pressure side of the brake is not what a customer want to work out or be bothered about, all they want is to fit it and use it. An adjustable ratio lever can be set to give the needed feel and also be altered if there is sufficient adjustment to be used on different bikes with different caliper set ups and still keep the same feel and power at the lever. If you have this facility a traditional style master cylinder will feel exactly the same as a radial one because the user is looking for a definate feel and amount of force needed to get the bike to stop. It is about getting the combinations right not the construction of the master cylinder. It just happens the radial master cylinder has more options to adjust for feel in most cases.

    Comment by Rich | November 16th, 2007 11:22 am | Permalink

    thanks guys you have just saved me a fortune as I was just about to blow $450 on a radial master cylinder for my ducati ss… I still want to stiffen the lever. any suggestion ?

    Comment by omar | May 18th, 2008 1:48 pm | Permalink

    I don’t see this addressed,i feel perhaps a bit intimidated posting with engineers,i am in retail but have done some basement manufacturing/machining. The improvements of the radial piston type lever are not so much in the hydrolics but in the shape of the castings/forgings/machined parts that make up the rest of the lever. The back of the cylinder is oriented at the handlebar, the stress on the pivot and its support is straighter. The point of attachment of the piston rod to the lever is on the same side that you pull with your fingers. Maybe these mechanical advantages are only noticable in extreme situations like racing and track days. I bought a brembo unit ahvn’t put it on yet, and didn’t even think about the brake light until i saw that here,thanks

    Comment by herb neumann | July 26th, 2008 2:19 pm | Permalink

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